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The best way I can put it is that actions are not gay, people are.

If a gay man kisses a girl, that doesn't make him straight. If he's sexually attracted to her - maybe. But sexuality doesn't follow rules like "I can only be attracted to people of x gender." He could be sexually attracted to this one girl but still be gay because he prefers men in general.
With women it's a hell of a lot more fluid because women typically form closer relationships with other women.

I don't know how to explain it well, I'm sorry.

Ok ok...umm I'm sorry if I seem closed-minded about this subject, but I don't like the idea of homosexuality. Not on a whole religious level either. It's just...idk, it weirds me out. I'm homophobic in a way as well. Esp, when it comes to gay men. I don't like the sight of flaymboyant gay men. One dude tried to come up to me and flirt and I beat the living shit out of him. as far as girls go, dykes or lesbians...it pisses me off a little. Because a cute girl, a girl you see on the street and wanna talk to, is gay. Well damn, now your SOL. Even dykes. I see some, and they have GORGEOUS faces, and even nice bodies. But it's just...Idk...

It's just one thing for me: If you gonna be gay, just come out an say it. I hate guys on the down low, which are guys who are with chicks only to hide they're sexuality from the world. Dammit just be gay, show it, and go on with your life.

Gee I wonder why some people are reluctant to tell other people that they are gay.

You missed the entire point of what I said. I said "he tried to FLIRT with me." Yea don't flirt with me if your some gay dude. But I could careless if he was just walking down the street minding his own business

You make it sound as if he tried to stab you or something.

How is a gay person flirting with you decent grounds to "kick their ass"? I don't mind people not liking the gay lifestyle or the concept, but actually physically hurting someone without good reason crosses the line into "hate crime".

I gotta go with Chaz. Ive got plenty friends that are gay and they have friends that've tried to flirt wit me before too, but all it usually takes is a "thanks, but no." or a "whoa I dont swing that way." and it's problem solved. Yeah itll be awkard the next time ya see em, but the same can be said of turning down a girl that's flirting with you

No I'm pretty sure you're still a giant dick.

You wouldn't hit a girl who expressed romantic interest in you, would you? So why would you hit a guy who did the same? Oh that's right, because you're a dick.

whoa, easy there! This is supposed to be a friendly debate

lol because it's so easy to be friendly to people who commit hate crimes and loathe you and millions of other people for something they can't help.

For the record, I agree with you.

But.

I think what Duama was trying to get at, politely, is that he would like to avoid seeing what is supposed to be a discussion/debate turn into a flame war.

oh man, roasted.lol. see what happens when your speak mind on NA? *shakes head* should of known where that would get ya. but in all seriousness, chill out dudes. lay off lil spawn, he didn't know. he was only being honest. we're suppose to be here to show peeps a different perspective and widen their tolerance level, not beat them down. things like calling him a d'ck, although very humorous, isn't a good way to get your point across. it only defeats the purpose, instead of him having a different view on this topic he's only going to revert back to his ways thinking theirs no wrong in it all.

you've pointed out his error, so how about we pour on the constructive criticism and positive tips on how to handle the situation better now. I don't want to ever have to be the mature one in a thread again, not in my nature. so lets go back to being the Athena of NA tsuxiit-dude

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I can sorta see where spawn was coming from, it all depends on your upbringing and the environment you grew up in. I'm not saying its right, just that I can somewhat understand why he felt the way he did. I think you gave way too into that tho, that shiz not even worth your time dude. let alone your knuckles bruised afterward. I seriously believe if you would of stopped for like 2min and just thought that out more, you wouldn't of even did it. I think it was more of acting in the moment, letting your anger get the best of you. it happens, just try to make better choices next time.

Ok first off, I'm not even gonna respond to everyone trying to "flame" me over internet. Second, I NEVER EXPLAINED THE ENTIRE STORY. Don't you think I said no? Don't you think I tried to stop him from doing so? So before you start calling me a dick and shit, listen to what happened. I'ma make it short and sweet:

I was sitting at a bus stop when this flamboyant gay guy and his friend walked up to me and sat next to me all close. I moved over a few inches, NOT BECOUSE THEY WERE GAY, but because of personal space. The guy asked why I moved over that far, and tried to moved closer to me. I said chill and got up. I walked a few feet towards the street to see if the bus was coming, and dude walked up behind me and said, "Nice ass." I told him I ain't on that homo shit, now leave me alone. Then the dude said sumthin like, "You don't know if you like it, unless you try it." Then grabbed my crotch. So I beat him senseless. NOW AM I STILL A FUCKING DICK????? DIDN'T FUCKING THINK SO

I know I said I wouldn't respond, this...I just gotta. First off, a girl doing that is fine and perfectly normal. A guy is just plain creepy. Oh, psh, I forgot YOU wouldn't think it's creepy at all now would you?

CHILL!

*sigh*

Spawn I get where you're coming from, man. Sometimes people just dont get it. But you still could've walked away. A good shove off of you and a few steps away from the sitch would've done a world of good. Truth be told kicking the guys a** wouldnt prove you're not gay just that you're extremely homophobic. Sounds to me like the guy was just trying to rile you up. Tsuxiit I understand this debate hits you close to home, and Ill admit that spawn's reaction was an example in a long line of undecided hate crimes. but that gives you NO RIGHT to flame him or call him a dick (was kinda funny though...) now this is a FRIENDLY DEBATE if you think for one second about putting another post that goes against that Ill go straight to the Admins and shut this down. Now...let's drop the subject and give opinions, not bull****.

I think, based on what you stated originally, there is grounds for criticism (though I wouldn't use the term "dick"). While I'm not saying that I don't believe this story, there are inconsistencies between this depiction of events and what you previously stated. Whether this is just the result of random mistakes or not, I don't know, so if my criticisms are along the wrong lines then please ignore them.

Firstly, you described the event like this:
"I'm homophobic in a way as well. Esp, when it comes to gay men. I don't like the sight of flaymboyant gay men. One dude tried to come up to me and flirt and I beat the living shit out of him."

Now, I'm not to sure of the American definition of the word "flirt", but I'm pretty certain that if the guy grabbed your crotch it's a slightly more serious issue that flirtation. The information you gave us at the start then, if your story is true, is completely insufficient. If a gay guy HAD just flirted with you, you'd have no grounds to kick his ass. However, sexually assaulting you is another matter entirely.

After that, you wrote:
"I said "he tried to FLIRT with me." Yea don't flirt with me if your some gay dude. But I could careless if he was just walking down the street minding his own business"

Again, this is displaying more of a bad attitude about homosexuals. You seem to indicate that being gay isn't the problem, but if they act gay near you then it is grounds to "kick their ass". Whether or not he actually felt you up, you used the term "flirt". Flirting, pretty-much by definition, is harmless if not responded to (and sometimes even when it IS responded to), so you can see why people got the wrong idea.

Provided, of course, that the story is true.