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Id liked to know everyones opinion on homosexuality. I know politics wise this is an old issue but thats not one of the reasons why im asking. I want everyone to be completely honest with their statement. Ill post mine after someone posts theirs. If you would all like, this could be turned into a friendly debate.

*warms up popcorn*



nah, jk jk...>.>...partially. I still think your giving NA too much credit, anyhoo, you can count on me showing your thread some love with my perspective on things. just not now, had a hard day and i need to hit th shower pronto. I just thought dropping some prop humor was worth putting it on whole for 5min. later dudes.


and btw, if anyone attacks my boy sal or throws in some skewed bible verses i'm biting your f'ckin head off

Well Im always a regular in the serious discussion so Im gonna give a very Duama answer. We see the love can trescend time where people several, several years apart are able to find true love, we see love transcend place where people on the different sides of the world contact with each other and meet once and instantly know they're the one they want to spend their lives with. So I cant see how love cant possibly trascend the same gender. And Im with munky if you make this anyway hostile Ill bite yyour arms off. OKay?

What's this? Arcy providing an opinion? Impossible!

Really, it's only because my opinion is the simplest of all. People should be allowed to love who they wish. Guy wants to love a girl? Perfectly fine. Guy wants to love a guy? That works for me too. Whatever floats your boat, you know? No one else should be allowed to tell you who you can and can't love. I mean, c'mon now, that's just bullshit. You start to get to know someone, you think you like them as a friend, they're cool, then something happens, and the next thing you know, you find your heart beating faster even at the thought of them. You don't have control over than kind of stuff.

And I guess since they're biting the arms and head off, I'll go for the legs.

Haha I appreciate the support guys but dont scare them too much. I created this thread to hear both sides and to know each member of NA's views on the subject. If they disagree and respond in a dignified manner im fine with it. If they want to use scripture to back up their claims they are allowed to.

Well im sure most of you know my view on the subject already. Its pretty much the same as Arc's and the others. In a sense an individual doesnt pick their true love, it just happens. For all we know it may have been decided before we were even conceived. Also contrary to popular belief being gay or a lesbian is not a choice. I dont understand how people would even think its possible for a person to choose who their attracted to. Its a force beyond our control. All im saying is what everyone else has been saying. True love has many faces.

I guess since everyone else is biting something ill bite their ears off XD.

no biting for you sal, i dont trust your saliva

jk

anyhoo. as far as homosexuality being wrong or right, I don't think its for us (or me atleast) to decide. I mean...just the nerve of someone to feel self-righteous enough to tell another person their living a life of sin is pretty snobish to me, and quite hypocritical in a sense. just because its a flaw thats displayed openly, unlike the many covered sins that resides in everyone, its easily exploitable and criticized by people who forget their human. ya'noe, like they don't have their own dirt too. but that goes into another topic.

i see homosexuality as a personal choice. at the end of the day its up with them and god whether their on the right path or not, not us. if dating withing your own gender is what you think helps you get closer to true happiness then I respect that, i guess. I DO have gay/lesbian friends, and their pretty kool dudes. those who are homophobic usually have never associated with an actually gay person or have had a decent conversation with them. Not that I have anything against homophobic, their kool too. I just don't like it when people will dissect a small verse out of the bible and hide behind their religion as an excuse for their own personal beliefs. if you don't agree with homosexuality, just say "I personally don't agree with it, and think its wrong". Don't go off and feed me BS like "sorry, it goes against my religion". alot of things go against your religion, but it still doesn't stop you from lying, cheating, gambling, adultery, defying abstinence,wrath, lust,gluttony etc. people seem to be doing those just fine.

now as far as the whole "people being born gay" deal, i think thats a lot of tauter sauce. I see it as a choice you make due to the many events thats occurred in your life along with the environment you were raised in. yeh, some people are born with more estrogen or testosterone than others that may affect their personality as the child grows, but their are still plenty of metrosexuals who are banging dime-pieces on a daily bases. clay aiken is a wonderful example of that.

what I'm saying is, if you took an average gay person who was born in...idk...lets say new york. lets say he/she was born in another country, lets say Barsolonea or somewhere. if that same person was born into a different house hold, under a different upbringing, in a different enviroment, chances are he/she would of grew up completly straight. but thats just how I see things.


wow... ....didn't mean to get all text heavy on you guys.my bad, i have these types of convo's a daily bases. all that practice into work i guess.

I personally dont believe it's a choice of simply being gay. If we wanna get biological here then I'll say this, attraction cannot be switched on and off like a switch in someone's head. Munk, if your person had grown up in a different everything then he may STILL BE attracted to the same sex, but depending on said environment, they wouldnt see it, wouldnt believe it, or be too scared to come forward(which is sadly the most common case.) I think you're half right though. Homosexuals dont choose to be gay, they choose to come out to others. Alot of people commonly choose to associate this with being gay, claiming that homosexuality as a whole is a choice. You can say you have to kill all the people in your school and you have no choice in it just because it's a monday, but until you draw up your plan, go to school, press your uzi barrel against Mrs. Johnson's head and fire. It's a thought, but you know in your heart that that's what you really wanna do.

This kind of topic has always been terribly confusing to me...I mean, it's something like starting a discussion on people with brown eyes, isn't it?

Much like having brown eyes, being gay isn't a choice, of course it isn't, because who would ever choose it? Who wakes up one morning and goes hey, maybe it would be fun to fall in love with someone who might hate me for loving them, and on the off chance they love me too we could go places together holding hands and strangers would make faces at us, and our families and friends would tell us we were going to hell, and supposing we got through all of that, we'd never be allowed to marry and adopt kids anyway, and if we somehow did our kids would be mocked all through school for having two moms/dads? Who could possibly see that as an appealing lifestyle?

Good lord, if we could all choose who to be attracted to, life would be a billion times easier, although we wouldn't have shoujo manga or soap operas or Jerry Springer or The National Enquirer.

I sincerely hope that one day in the future, when I'm with a group of people, someone will bring up gay people, and everyone in the vicinity will look confused as to why anyone would bother bringing it up, because it will be no more interesting or controversial than being tall or having dimples.

tru tru, makes me look at in a different perspective.

I believe there is a chance that people are born gay....just....not nearly as much as people make it out to be. people who show obvious signs growing up at early ages when their not even aware what the word homosexuality even means, agreeable. But there are alot of situations where thats not the case. like that girl who's had a healthy love life all the way up to her senior year until some guy cheats on her or hurts her feelings so she turns to people of the same gender thinking they'll be able to relate better. or that cheating is only a "guy thing" or somethin. Or what about that girl who was simply deemed not cute by her peers and wasn't quite popular with the guys?

oh, heres one, everyone in JAIL. you mean to tell me that after living seemingly normal lives once you go to jail you realize you were indeed born gay and all of these suppressed feelings of being attracted to the same gender emerge in some anal rape spree? no, after a few months go by those urges come back around and you just grab whatever close to you. that goes for females too for all you kiddos who think this jail bait deal is just a guy thing.


most of that can also be said for interracial dating, being ANY religion besides Christianity in America, or being obese. I guess we should give into the "fat gene" too. that I'm not held responsible for being obese, that its an inevitable occurrence I can do nothing about nor am to blame for. or we should all just convert to Christianity because thats what people expect from us.

their are some people who show signs throughout their entire life, then their are some that only show them after a certain event, or events have occurred. rape victims are another nice example of this. I'm trying to give more lee-way to the idea of people being born gay, Its just theres no way theres as many as people make it out to be.


when that day comes I'll be there with an aerosol can and a box of matches.

Two things here:

1) You seem to think that being gay is the same as dating someone of the same gender. This is not the case (see: the hundred billion married Republican politicians who've been caught having same-sex affairs). It's possible to date and have sex with and marry someone without being sexually attracted to them.

2) You also seem to think that sexuality is black and white, but it isn't. People in prison who have sex with people of the same gender aren't necessarily gay...they might just be horny, so of course they'd go back to their preferred gender when they get out of prison, and also in prison sex is a very powerful weapon. You could punch someone in the face, yeah, but why not kill two birds with one stone, so to speak, and take advantage of them? You'd get back at the person and also scratch that itch.

Also: bisexuals/pansexuals/polysexuals.

As for your other argument...you can choose to be whatever religion or make unhealthy choices and be obese. (The stigma against interracial dating exists for the same reason the stigma against same-sex relationships exists: ignorance.) You can't choose to stop being gay and it's silly to expect people to date people they aren't attracted to so as to avoid social humiliation.

My homosexual friend called me a faggot more than i have ever used teh word so i guess i don't hate them except teh prime parades where tehy run aroudn named and peopel bring there kids there. D:

dude...fix the spelling, spell check is your friend. XD seriously though I gotta side with the lady on this one munk. Sexuality isnt black and white, hell nothing in life is. And truthfully munk even those people with that choice in front of them, dont ever really see it as one. When faced with either try a new situation or stay with the old situation where you fight our lives most basic instincts that is built into our very dna. Ask any prisoner(that's honest enough to tell that he was raped or did rape someone in prison) that he didnt see it as a choice, he did what he did to survive end of story.

your right, I really have been looking at this whole thing in black and white. I wasn't aware their was any other way of looking at it till now. from my perspective, if your f'ckin other dudes in the ass, that shit is GAY. there's not ifs ands or buts about it, its like what more proof do you need? but from the feedback your giving, please correct me if I get this wrong, If your not deeply attracted to the person of your same gender then it doesn't count as being gay?

I'm having problems processing that as well. Don't you have to be attracted to a person in order to have sex with them? I mean, how else would you get the erection to begin with, that thing just doesn't spring up there ya'noe. but thats getting off topic a bit.


first of all: LMFAO, dude I had that news story recorded on my DVR for like a week, what was he thinking?lol. ok, on a more serious note.

once again, this is where you completly lose me. the "gray areas" of being gay. Don't get me wrong, I'm really trying to learn here. I wouldn't keep replying if I wasn't, do you think you can clear this up a bit for me. I really need you to dissect and break this stuff down to me on how you can perform gay activities and still not be considered gay. like...what do you even call these people!? In my language they would be called "hypocrites", but obviously I've been getting it wrong all this time.

seeing how I'm not gay and have never been in your shoes before I know that I'll never be able to completly understand, all I can do is try my best to see where your coming from and try to relate. Though I joked how this conversation would end very horribly I'm actually quite happy sal started this thread and look at it as an opportunity to leave out knowing more than when I came in. so...yeh....work your magic tsuxiit-dude, queer eye for the munky guy. just watch the merchandise ok.


sorry duama, I don't believe in destiny. I like to think that every man/woman has the power to make their own choices in life and make their own destiny. thats not addressed to being gay in any way, just talking life in general. no matter what lifestyle or situation you were born to you have the power to choose your own path. just because its the life that was set out and choose for you maybe before you were even born, doesn't mean its the life you have to live. once again, not addressed to being gay in any way, just talking life in general.

y'know Ive always found it funny how homosexuality debates quickly become philosophies about life.

would that in turn come to mean that either 1). homosexuality is the basis for all philosophy, or 2). homosexuality is the basis of life.....

anywho, just as many b4 said it shouldn't matter .what others may think of your relationships, as long as you are happy and comfortable with what the relationship is. also about the whole bible thing, i 2 find that to be bullshit. certain people seem to be under the belief that if you dont believe in the bible or in the one true od, then you are a lost cause and that it is their duty to make you believe. i feel that anything you believe is your own business and that you cant force certain ideals on people just because they dont agree with what you believe in ( as for me im an atheist) i could go on, but this is not the forum for that. and for those that are homosexual, we can mostly tell, you dont have to flaunt it on full display 24/7. that to me is a bit annoying though.

uh...whats left.....i think i'll bite off the achiles tendon (very very painful)